I don't think The AyinBase / Ayin Beis with R' Paltiel, Tammuz 5775
Page 22 of pamphlet – (At about 7th line of the page. Line begins: 'elokus...'). Page 15 of the book. For text see below.
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We are talking of vessels. The light points to its source, by contrast the vessel is created in a manner to be separate from its source.
The vessels/keilim of the level of atzilus are special.
First knowledge is not preceded by 'not knowing'. This is what the neshamah/soul is. This is like the knowledge of life – you cannot possess and define it – you live it!